Re: Whiteswan lady


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Posted by Swanlady on June 13, 2004 at 02:16:47:

In Reply to: Whiteswan lady posted by Dave and sweetie on June 11, 2004 at 00:52:08:

I waited some time, to answer this post, to see if anyone else, that is supposed to be passionately involved in saving historic old mining structures, joined in with their offer to help save the White Swan. Not one did so you must be the only ones to care. I, can not believe someone offered to help after all this time. Your offer brought tears to my eyes. Other than Cynthia, Tonie Segers niece, you are the first ones to tell me you cared. The only thing I know that could possibly save the White Swan, has already been denied me. But, I will repeat it. First the volunteers should come forward and admit BLM authorized the taking of my place, and later incorporated the house into their program. They should admit BLM changed the claim names, serial numbers and status, and not the volunteers,such as Don Peterson that also works in the BLM offices. They should admit they were told by BLM, that I had abandoned the claims and structures and no longer held any interests in the property. They should admit that this was the only reason they were given when BLM authorized them to take over the use of my house and claims. The volunteers should have their historian give me the history work-up, he did concerning my place. The volunteers should admit the BLM archaeologist, and Cassps.involvement with my property. The volunteers should admit they had BLM authority,and permission, to put their BLM/DOI White Swan adopt-a-cabin sign on my house. The volunteers should admit the BLM authorized the roof work and other alterations the volunteers did on my buildings. The volunteers should admit their use of my house with their program was not one to preserve and maintain the structures only.They should admit the availability of my house and claims for day use or overnight camping and occupancy, was offered to the public, by BLM, as part of their program, and the use of my property was not just for the use of the volunteers, only to maintain and preserve the structures. The volunteers should admit their use of the worldwide web to invite the public to the use of my property, and this happened with BLM knowledge and approval. Cassp. should do the same. The volunteers should admit BLM showed up at adopt-a-cabin meetings and events held in my house as the White Swan adopt-a-cabin and BLM oversaw the volunteers functions and building progress, etc. If any other organization or programs were involved, the volunteers should come forward with this information. I, should receive a copy of the Friends of the White Swan group agreement and M.O.U. and a written chronological set of events held at my house. Somehow,and I am unsure as to how it is to be done, I should receive a liability release that covers the use of my property by the public and the volunteers.Their might be some other minor pertinent pieces of information neccesary to the resolution of being able to save the White Swan (legally, it was the Silver Swan)but basically that is it. For the Friends of the White Swan group and other people involved other than BLM, in return for this information, in writing, I should sign legal paperwork, promising not to litigate against the volunteers or pursue Federal criminal charges against them. This should be done with the retaining and assistance of my attorney, and the volunteers should probably receive the help of their own attorneys, if they feel it is necessary. I already have a copy of the M.O.U. Steve Smith, the BLM program director, signed with Bill Spreng for his use while acting as host,to the public that used my house and claims.What the volunteers do about the confidentiality agreements they signed for BLM and Cassp, I do not have the answer. If it were me I would ignore it, but that decision is not up to me. For the volunteers future information and education, they should send for and read the correspondance I have received from BLM that clearly shows that BLM threw their volunteers to the wolves(me) to save their own hides. (yellow)Some one should set up a meeting, by phone if necessary, between the miners and the volunteers that are involved in assisting BLM's taking of the ownership of privately owned land. A Supreme Court decision, stated any land with a claimants rights attached is to be concidered as private land. The volunteers need to be shown how BLM uses new mining regulation (their wrong interpretation of them)and their volunteers to take property with, both illegally and legally. Apparently the BLM is pitting the miners and the volunteers against each other for only one reason.To get private property and land for public use without the neccesity of affording the miner, due process, or just compensation, as in the taking of my place. It appears, with the volunteers ignorance of the new mining laws, and by feeding them misinformation BLM doesn't have to do a thing except sit back and enjow watching the fun, while the volunteers they train and are responsible for eagerly go out and get BLM all the land, without BLM having to do a thing. If the volunteers do not want to be educated about the real mining laws they should get out of the mine taking business altogether, because they are being used as pawns to force the small miners out,and to allow the corporate giant mining company's in. I believe if any one of the volunteers think BLM really cares about the historic structures and not just the land, they should go into BLM and ask for a mineral exam, on their own heads. If the volunteers are educated and made to see clearly what they are doing, and they still want to do it, that is alright and might even be a good thing. But if not, all the miners will be gone, all the miners homes will eventually be gone, the miners roads will be closed and eventually gone, a larger wilderness area will materialize, and we can all sit in downtown E.Palmdale and twiddle our thumbs. Dave and Sweetie, if you can help put that together, I might be able to force BLM to return my property, because they know as well as I do their taking of it and their keeping of it, was illegal and without cause. I have correspondance from BLM stating they knew I did not have any non-compliance issues when they took my property, but by putting all the blame on the volunteers they are not obligated to return my property in a legal manner, unless I can prove they authorized the taking of my place and changed the paperwork themselves. The only other option I have had is to litigate against the volunteers and have them go after BLM themselves.I am not interested in the house any more, BLM has put me through hell since 1997 in their attempts to try and force me out so they can have my place for themselves,and it is now known as free government public housing. They have wanted it for one reason after another for years. First some type of headquarters,next for the Indians for a planned Casino, then the astonomers,next a vacation home for the Sierra club members and a couple of other things. I will never be able to go home again with a reasonable expectation of safety or privacy, and quite frankly I am afraid of physical harm from the volunteers and I don't want to play "Waco" with the BLM. I bought the claims to work for the minerals, not for a summer home. BLM has almost killed me twice and they have taught me, well,their implied threats to force me to give them what they want, do not always stay implied. What would it mean to you if you were told, "or it will be all over for you?" They say if you can not stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I like me, so, I intend to stay out of their kitchen. I offered to sell, rent, or lease the property to BLM but they were not interested, they were only interested in taking it without paying for it. In the hope I could pursuade BLM to return my property promptly, I told them,I would be charging them rent until this return happened. That, did not do any good either. As long as the volunteers are protecting BLM, nothing is going to work. I let BLM know two or three months ago, I had given up the fight for the return of my claims, and they had finally won, and shortly thereafter they notified me, they would be demolishing the structures sometime early in August As it stands right now, I no longer own the claims or structures, according to BLM, so I have nothing to say about what BLM does with them. Yes, I am still the registered owner of the Silver Swans, just like I was the day BLM changed their names and serial numbers to the White Swans, but until BLM returns my property I only hold an empty title. As it stands right now I no longer have any business connections with BLM and have nothing to say about anything they do. For the past two years I have asked BLM to remove the structures they and the volunteers adopted, and the public was using. All were criminally trespassing. I wanted to work my claims and I needed the income. I offered to pay for the removal of their adopted structures, if BLM would return my claims, in time to save myself and my investors from financial ruin. Eventually this happened, so I withdrew my offer and told BLM they had won. I was forced into early unwanted retirement.As long as BLM has the volunteers out trying to get any miners structures, fifty or more years old, all miners had better get rid of their homes, tool sheds, or any thing else that can be called the dictionary definition of a structure as fast as they can light a match to them. Their are a lot of things the volunteers do not understand, and I am sure BLM deliberately keeps it that way. BLM has the power to prevent us from mining for years at a time, waiting for them to approve our plans to work our claims and sometimes they never do, sometimes our claims have to remain idle, due to market fluctuations to work at a profit. Due to some new mining regulations, they, BLM, will not allow the claimholder or their own caretakers the right to live on the claims when they are idle, like what they recently did to Dave Ayers. In my case BLM ignored my pre-existing grandfathered in rights, by forcing me to leave. It is not too smart to argue with BLM's Ron Stormo. ( the one we nicknamed little big gun)After BLM forces us to leave, they send in their volunteers to care for our homes after BLM forces us by implied threats and intimidation to sign a quitclaim deed giving the ownership of our property, and everything we own to Hector Villalobos the local BLM field office manager.(I refused to)We miners are told if we refuse to sign, BLM will make our claims invalid, and take everything we own anyway. If we try to remove our structures to save our land (the only choice BLM leaves us) BLM then has the volunteers run in yelling, historic! historic! we are the volunteers and we have to save them. Once BLM has the volunteers do that, BLM can stop us from removing our structures. By law we have to have BLM's written permission in the form of a plan. When BLM refuses to do this, we are forced into non-compliance, occupancy, trespass issues(3809 and 3715)This is not fair or right but they can do it.That is not what happened at my place, exactly, only because BLM got over eager and excited about their perceived success, a little too early, but that is what they had me set-up for. Apparantly, that is the same routine they are using all over their field office area and without their volunteers this trickery would have to stop. The excuse of saving historic old structures is just a smokescreen to take land and a clever way to pull off this form of injustice. Very few if any BLM field offices do things this way. Most are good and professional people with no need to stoop to trickery. Congress passed these new regulations to prevent people from buying claims with homes on them just to have a summer home. I am sure they did not foresee BLM's use of these laws to prevent us from working our claims, but not all field offices are devious so it might be this is the only one abusing their use of the new regulations.If what this BLM is doing is so legal why is it so difficult to get information on their program unless you live in the area? Why all the secrets? Who accounts for the large sums of funds they receive for this program? Who audits them? Their brochures state this program is for the publics benefit, if so why are some of their locations kept secret? This has been mentioned on this board before. The volunteers have to realize the laws require BLM to have complete ownership of the property before incorporating their program. Why do you think they had to change my claim names and serial numbers to prove they had ownership? Why do you think they have refused to return my claim names, serial numbers, and claim status, along with a liability release, and my rights? If any of the volunteers do not know in their hearts I am telling the truth, I do not want their help. But, if I receive some help from the volunteers to force BLM to return my propery through the court systems I will do what I can to pursuade BLM that they should save their White Swan structures for the use of the volunteers somehow,but I will donate no more to them. I did this before and look what they did to me as a thank you. No, I do not expect any help from the volunteers, I expect to be trashed or ignored or deleted to the ozone of the archives. But, if anyone changes their mind before BLM demolishes the Whiteswans, or even later my phone# is still 1-520-883-8852. If not,oh, well. I have started enjoying my little trips to the ozone, anyway. And thank you Dave and Sweetie, for the offer and one more time to plead my case for help from the volunteers.I know I probably won't get it, but I wanted to try one more time. Now, Zardoz, what was that make and size of tires you recommended? Thank you again, Louise Hall-(Swanlady)


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