Internet forums are very, very fragile creatures. The slightest ripple through an established forum can cause it to instantly lose momentum and hemorrhage users. In this case, the owner's mistake was not using one of the two dominant forum software packages: phpBB and vBulletin. Probably 99% of the forums on the internet are in one of these environments; EVERYBODY knows how to use them. This one is too atypical, and a major, instant turnoff. The layout and interface are horrible, and it's obvious that the creator is a total forum rookie. The old forum may have been "archaic," but I never heard anybody complain about it, and it was really busy. It could have been integrated into this site without completely destroying it. Oh well, it's all history at this point. DV Talk was nice while it lasted.